May 16 2009
Pinnacle Notes Price Quotes and Updates
Recently, there was an event of default in the underlying assets of some of the Pinnacle Notes. There was a notice sent out by Morgan Stanley saying that Pinnacle Notes Series 1 is likely to have a forced redemption as a result of this default.
Other Pinnacle Notes Series 2, 3, 5, 6 and 7 have also been negatively impacted.
The respective notices can be found on the Morgan Stanley Pinnacle Notes website.
As of 8th May 2009, the indicative price quoted by Morgan Stanley for the various Pinnacle Notes Series are as follows (based on face value of $100):
- Pinnacle Notes Series 1 – No quote available (likely 0)
- Pinnacle Notes Series 2 - $0.32 for Tranche A and $0.23 for Tranche B
- Pinnacle Notes Series 3 - $0.36 for Tranche A and $0.40 for Tranche B
- Pinnacle Notes Series 5 - $2.87 for Tranche A and $2.88 for Tranche B
- Pinnacle Notes Series 6 - $2.93 for Tranche A and $3 for Tranche B
- Pinnacle Notes Series 7 - $2.73 for Tranche A and $2.96 for Tranche B
- Pinnacle Notes Series 8 - $84.05 for Tranche A and $81.78 for Tranche B
- Pinnacle Notes Series 11 - $79.28 for Tranche A and $72.11 for Tranche B
- Pinnacle Notes Series 12 - $78.73 for Tranche A and $71.36 for Tranche B
- Pinnacle Notes Series 15 - $77.24
- Pinnacle Notes Series 16 - $74.12
Although the current pricing of my Pinnancle Notes Series 2 really sucks, I’m pleasantly surprised to advise that it seemed that they’ve made a full dividend payout yesterday. For those who hold this series, you might want to check your nominated bank account.
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As long as the default threshold has not been breached, which will trigger a mandatory redemption event, the issuer is obligated to continue paying the promised interest amounts.
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It seems that notes series 6 has been downgraded to C from BBB.
How would this impact the notes, series 10 became void when it was downgraded to CCC. so haow far is C from CCC.
This Pinnacle thing is fare more risky then presented. We are just waiting t see if it goes bust. Have to keep the notes until 2013 before that anything could happend further downgrades, further credit events
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does anyone know if pinnacle series 7 made payout today? cos I checked bank account and it is not in yet.
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I cheked mine too, also nothing. It is supposed to be today. I think morgan stanley pays cdp today and cdp credit to our account tomorrow. That happened for the last payout in Jan
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Iris Sim Reply:
December 22nd, 2009 at 1:29 pm
The only thing I can say about all these notes were a scam to borrow
money without the responsibility of repayment. The banks who sold the
notes did not even know what they are all about. They just present you a
stack of papers to sign and tell you they are all standard terms and
conditions. I can only conclude that Morgan Stanley is the main culprit
behind these scams. As a customer who bought these notes, I am sure
99.9% of the investors are not aware of the so-called ‘underlying’ CDO.
When you ask for the list after the fiasco, most will be surprised it is the
first time they are seeing it. Therefore, how can the banks claimed they
have explained fully to the customers.
Public feedback on this will be appreciated.
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sureesh Reply:
December 23rd, 2009 at 8:45 am
Which series did you buy
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Yvonne Choo Reply:
December 23rd, 2009 at 4:09 pm
I almost bought into the Pinnacle Notes 6/7 series. When I enquired about the so-called “underlying” CDO, the bank officer could not explain. She said so far no one ever enquired and I was the first investor to enquire though many investors had bought the earlier series. She told me to read the thick brochure as every thing was written in it. So I said ‘fine’ and requested that she highlight to me where was the information that i requested. Because she could not do so even though she was selling the product, we decided not to invest even though the dividend payment was good. So it was a blessing in disguise.
This is my tactic. Whenever I attended any investment consultancy meetings with the so called Sales Consultants, I ask this One important question……What ever good things I can accept…..Just tell me what is the worst that can happen to my investment?……If the Bank Officer is stunned by your question and cannot answer your question, just give an excuse and get ready to leave… Ha Ha. Through my experience, these poor Sales Consultants do not have any knowledge of the products they are selling.
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Pinnacle notes briefing for class action suit.
http://www.lioninvestor.com/proposed-pinnacle-class-action/
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iris… i think your comments are quite one-sided.
The consumer should only bear the blame when an investment fails.
If a consumer blindly signs an agreement without clarifying what it is all about, whose fault is it?
If you sign a house purchase agreement which states the purchase price is 2million dollars when verbally someone tells you it is 1.5million dollars, whose fault is it when you end up having to pay 2million dollars by law?
I agree that all these CDOs are complicated. Thus, consumers should have avoided them if unsure. Not sign blindly then kick up a fuss when CDOs blow up.
If CDOs hadn’t blown up, everyone keep quiet and smile to the bank right?
NOT FAIR!
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Intheknow Reply:
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:24 pm
sorry typo..
i meant the consumer should ALSO bear the blame when an investment fails.
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If you are involved in the notes, you probably would not say the
consumer should bear the blame.
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